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Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by DoubleEcksZero on February 15, 2009 - 8:49pm.

I’m never really surprised anymore about the things people choose to complain about recently. Even so, this one sort of caught me by surprise on quite a few levels. As the story goes, Amazon, our friendly neighborhood everything salesman, started, then stopped selling the English patched version of the Japanese game Rapelay. This game is made by Illusion, a company famous for supplying all of our hentai game related needs. As the name implies, Rapelay is a game about rape, shocking and awful I know, but are we over it yet? Good, moving on. It's no surprise that people are up in arms about this development, but surprisingly, this uproar didn’t really kick off until Amazon stopped selling the game. It’s also worth mentioning that this is not a new game; it’s been out for several years now, but the uproar is a little bit late to the party.

To make sure you, my loving readers, know what side of the argument you’re on, we should draw the line in the sand here. One side is arguing about the right of Amazon to police what people decide to buy. The other side is arguing that you can’t have a game about rape, because those are the rules and that’s just how it is. If you don’t like either of them, you can always join my side which involves thinking that the argument is stupid to being with. For safety’s sake, we can start with the non-controversial argument involving Amazon.

This is how a store works: someone saying, “I’m going to sell something, or several of something.” Then they proceed to do so. If someone comes for an item the store doesn’t sell, that person is out of luck. No amount of bitching and moaning from you can change that. Amazon is a retailer and thus has the right to sell or not to sell whatever it wants, end of story. Well that was easy, now for the hard argument.

Rape has always been a touchy subject for some; for others it is nothing more than a fleeting thought; for others, it is a bad memory, and so on. For Illusion, it is a conduit for reaching a demographic with disposable incomes. The question a lot of people are asking is “Is it ok?” or really I should say, they are stating that “It is not ok!” and I can’t agree.

I’ve been debating this on forums I frequent for a while now and I’ve gathered that regardless of the circumstances, rape overrules all other crimes in severity. I will not be debating the moral stances behind rape and things like that; this is not the place for such arguments. The reason this is of interest is when I looked at the core of this game, it’s just another form of video game violence. It's just like the senseless murder and theft in Grand Theft Auto, the murder in Assassin’s Creed and Mad World, not to mention the brutal beatings found in any fighting game. Now if you’re up in arms about the violence found in Rapelay, how can you not also oppose every other game with murder, war, genocide, beatings, thievery, or torture?

I’m not defending any of the acts, just trying to keep everything in perspective. Rapelay is a story of vengeance, where a man, somehow scorned by a woman, decides to take revenge. To him the appropriate revenge is rape. I posed a question during my earlier discussion; I asked if it would have been more appropriate if the man decided instead to hunt down and viciously murder the woman and her family? Would that really change anything? I didn’t get a straight answer yet.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by FinalEpitaph009 on February 16, 2009 - 2:48am.

When I was younger i use to say that playing GTA or games similar to that was same as actually going out and doing it but seriously its a game. First lets just say if this is sold to kids we have a problem cause then i would understand that hey kids still are easy to change mentality. But for older people who are sane well then its a game one that I say is indeed a tad over the top but nonetheless its a game better then going out and doing the villainous act. My opinion maybe being on amazon or ebay isnt good because we all know kids do dumb shit like stealing credit cards now in days. But being sold on the actual site should be allowed cause then its a tad harder to find the game itself

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by DoubleEcksZero on February 16, 2009 - 6:32pm.

I doubt a kid would be able to Install such a game let alone play it to any efficacy.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by Krillin42 on February 16, 2009 - 5:40pm.

Why would Amazon pull a rape game from their shelves but still offer other rape based media such as Irrevesible with Monica Bellucci (with free super saver shipping I might add.) This movie contains one of the longest, most graphic and most disturbing rape scenes every captured in a non fetish film. The only reason anyone outside of France knows this film is because of the rape scene. I will not link to it here but Goggle Monica Bellucci and see for yourself. What about the classic novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. The tale of a mans demise due to his sexual lust for a young girl? A novel where one of if not the main element revolves around statuary rape.

The only answer that makes sense to me is that people have a knee jerk reaction to video games with questionable content. They feel that because your are "participating" in the action on screen then you must have a larger chance of replicating these actions in real life. Its okay to read about rape or watch rape in movies because those are non participatory and more "normal" types of media that have no or minimal impact on the viewer or reader.

Unfortunately there is no conclusive evidence either way to indicate that video games have any larger of an impact then moves or books on a persons decision making process. So if you remove the "video games are more damaging to people" argument what reason does amazon have to remove the game from thier virtual shevles? They have every right to remove it but do they have a valid reason?

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by DoubleEcksZero on February 16, 2009 - 6:44pm.

I think the reason has more to do with the fact that there aren't really any others. There is only one other video game that I know of that involves rape, alternately I could probably name like 5 movies off the top of my head with rape scenes. Alright, I can't but I know there are quite a few. To wage a war on movies and literature with rape you'd have to do a lot more work. As far as they know this game is one of a kind, and therefore if they give Illusion enough shit for it no one else would dare follow in their footsteps. Also to their advantage video games happen to be public enemy number one right now, so it not too difficult to start more trouble for the industry. I found a funny quote which relates. Around the time when Mass Effect and Grand Theft Auto 4 came out there was an uproar about Mass Effect's "Sex Simulator" which was like a minute of less then softcore cuddling, and someone accused GTA 4 of having a rape scene. Of course it doesn't. Now I was reading an article that had to do with Rapelay and someone said something along the lines of "here is the rape simulator I was told doesn't exist". I found it funny.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by The Jodan on February 16, 2009 - 8:12pm.

What would be interesting is a formal study, maybe done in a prison. I've heard the claim that when GTA came out, crimes like carjacking actually went down, and there's the old argument that games help people sublimate their darker urges. For instance, by playing "Burnout," a person would be less likely to want to drive fast and hit other cars, because the fantasy gets played out.

The study I'm imagining would involve convicted rapists playing the game, and then they would take a survey. Maybe there could even be brain scans done and chemical tests performed to see how the game affects the wiring of those playing. The big question, of course, is "Does playing a game about rape make a person more or less likely to commit the crime in reality?"

On the other hand, I can see how people would get offended or disgusted by the idea of playing out such a traumatic and vicious crime. Somehow, it seems less cruel to simulate shooting, stabbing, and otherwise mutilating fictional characters than it does to rape them. I've got my B.A. in Forensic Psychology, and spent a lot of time studying rape and its aftermath. I also know a few women who have been raped or been the victims of sexual assault, and I can see the permanent damage it does to their sense of trust and identity.

While most forms of violence are seen as a release or as uncontrolled impulse, rape has a particularly personal and intimate impact. It is not so much an attack on the body as it is on the soul. Basically, it is a fantasy that not everyone has, and I would be very, very cautious about people who want to play it out. But, on the other, other hand, there is the "fake rape fantasy," a type of S&M, where both people know it is a fantasy and there is a "safe word" that will end it. The question with this game is if it is a playing out of the consensual fantasy or the real urge to break someone's will, trust, and sense of personality.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by FinalEpitaph009 on March 2, 2009 - 8:17pm.

I see your point its a tough question in essence, here we have a game that stands against many morals (including mine) but many would find it as what it is a simulation game. Does it mean its right, not really. I mean personally I wouldnt play this, but it is just a game that simulates a villainous act like i said. And the points you guys brought up like the other related rape material still on amazon leads me to believe that someone made a huge issues of this to really no avail so someone weird cant play this game then they will most likely buy something similar.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on March 5, 2009 - 1:19am.

I understand the argument that, since people aren't offended by the killing and whatnot in games like GTA, that we shouldn't be upset about a game about rape. But, I do think there is an important difference between the crime of murder and the crime of rape. I would contend that while murder is almost universally agreed to be unacceptable, the same is not true of rape. While most people do seem to agree that rape is bad, there is a sizable amount of people for whom the issue is not clear. One simply needs to compare the murder rate somewhere to the frequency of rape. Rape is orders of magnitude more common.

As such, I don't see rape as just another type of violence. It's a type of violence that happens with a fair degree of regularity.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by jiveturkey on March 7, 2009 - 1:54am.

In this great country of ours, sex is taboo.
Sex in video game is abhorrent.
Rape in a video game is just unthinkable.

But we loves our guns. Yeehaw.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on March 11, 2009 - 9:15am.

What a gross oversimplification. The simple reality is that for many people, sex has a place and they prefer to keep it in the bedroom. Why is it that the people who are so fond of saying, "if you don't like it then don't look" are the ones who want it broadcast everywhere so it is impossible to avoid? Personally, I'd prefer not to watch another commercial involving orgasm-incuding hair washing but to get away from it, I have to quit watching all TV.

As to sex in a video game, I could care less so long as it isn't marketed to kids. Categorize it as an adult product and sell it as such. Don't like categorization? Too bad. As a parent, I like having at least a fighting chance of controlling the influences on my kids and any information I can get to help with that is a good thing.

Regarding rape in a video game, give me a break. The article is spot on in noting that it is no different than video games like Assassin, etc. I disagree, however, that it is the same as every other game containing violence. Many violent games are based on characters that are willing participants. Take the Street Fighter games - all of the characters are voluntary fighters so far as we know. We aren't dealing with a bunch of conscripted gladiators fighting for their lives. War games, unless you throw in terrorist attacks on civilian targets, are based on two military forces opposing each other. Rape, like carjacking and random murder, involve assault on random targets that left alone pose no threat to the attacker. Totally different scenario with a totally different moral consideration.

With regards to loving our guns, ironically the same Founding Father that penned our First Amendment (you know, the one the porn companies cite to keep from being shut down) was a huge advocate of individual gun ownership. Why? Because the individual citizens are meant to be able to overthrow an oppressive and corrupt government. While I love the added benefit of personal protection, this isn't the intended purpose. Of course, any political party intent on growing the government and changing it from its intended Constitutional purpose has to get rid of individual gun ownership to make sure their new creation survives.

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I Agree

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on March 10, 2009 - 2:06pm.

Yes, rape is a taboo. If anything ever deserved the designation, this is it. Rape is a stress trauma similar in its effect on victims as surviving battle in a war or any other catastrophic event. (How about a game where players survive an airliner crash by running madly over dead and dismembered bodies as exit the plane before it blows?)

I agree with your point: The glorification of war--or any murderous mayhem or extreme violence--as we've seen in many other popular games is equivalent to the intent of RapeLay. Does the world need a revenge rape game for pissed off boys? Definitely no. (This is why porn loves the facial cumshot so: Misogyny is the jilted boy's revenge fantasy. When the object of our scorn leaves us the next girl in line will have to do.)

I'm not a gamer. In fact, I'm an old guy who really doesn't get games. What I do get is being pissed off. In that game I'm an expert. But as we all know, anger doesn't need nurturing. It does well enough on its own.

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Re: I Agree

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on March 11, 2009 - 10:31pm.

"Yes, rape is a taboo. If anything ever deserved the designation, this is it. Rape is a stress trauma similar in its effect on victims as surviving battle in a war or any other catastrophic event. (How about a game where players survive an airliner crash by running madly over dead and dismembered bodies as exit the plane before it blows?)"

Yeah but you cant get your nut off running off a airline

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on September 14, 2009 - 5:51am.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by The Jodan on September 15, 2009 - 12:54am.

Dick, don't think you can use this site as free advertising. Every crappy spam link you put up will be knocked down or edited. Then you'll be blocked. We're watching you.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by meganfox on November 4, 2009 - 5:46am.

don’t condone rape, pedophilia, or violence against women. Indeed I’ve often questioned why the death penalty is not extended to sex criminals as well as murderers. However, I don’t trust groups such as equity to know the difference between harmless entertainment with a little smut in it, and graphic porn. These are the people who think that Pokemon (which is heavily censored in the US), should be taken off the air, and that Yugioh promotes the occult.n my experience banning games and media like this actually has the opposite effect. Adult games are what is known as a stabilizing genre. This means that people who are mildly perverted are able to satisfy their perversions in a harmless manner (One that’s also good for the economy, as perverts are often big spenders). Removing the games/media doesn’t remove the perversions that exist in society. It only removes the harmless outlets. Thus the perverts have to go elsewhere to satisfy their perversions.Rather than looking at fake porn they look at real porn. Images of real children begin abused rather than animated ones. The lack of interactivity in the real porn also often fails to satisfythem so they look for nastier porn, or even real (thus interactive) sexual experiences. This fuels the sex trade and can lead to rape, child abuse and the use of child prostitutes.

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Re: Amazon Speaks: "Rapelay" Banned

Submitted by Anonymous BlowHard on November 10, 2009 - 8:31am.

The only answer that makes sense to me is that people have a knee jerk reaction to video games with questionable content. They feel that because your are "participating" in the action on screen then you must have a larger chance of replicating these actions in real life. Its okay to read about rape or watch rape in movies because those are non participatory and more "normal" types of media that have no or minimal impact on the viewer or reader.

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